Wants to Disband NATO Because Defense Industry Makes Money

mental health care. That's the, I guess, the rational or the more selfish way.

Yeah, it's more like individualism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's an

argument to be made on,

on both ends. Yeah, funny, to me, there's your sales pitch for the people that

are new to socialism,

like socialism can be sold as individualism. It is. It is. It will be a massive

, we don't do this,

like, no, but that's like a very misunderstood element of Marxism in particular

. It's like,

Marxism is, of course, individualistic. Of course, there is individual

liberties in a

socialist mode of governance that you normally don't have. If we were to look

at

socialization and like countries that are closer towards socialism versus

further away from socialism,

who has more free time? A person that doesn't have to worry about, you know,

medical debt or a

person who does. I think this is a thing where you could be more. Who has more

freedom? Yeah,

with you. Who has more freedom? A person who can, yeah, maybe leave their job

and pursue a career

ambition and maybe even become a much more productive member of society because

their

health care is not tied to their employment. Yeah. That is true freedom.

Socialism is supposed to

unlock more time for people to regain autonomy. Socialists historically have

fought for this

before socialist movements, trade unionist movements, anarchist movements,

fought to establish a five day work week. People used to work seven days a week

. They had child

labor, right? These were real freedoms that people fought for sometimes died in

the process of fighting

for. And now we take it for granted. So socialism is freedom. Yeah, of course.

What's your most radical stance? My most radical stance, which we don't know

about.

There's so many. Give me one. There's so many. Everything I say people treat in

America,

everything I say people treat as radical, but I think even here. This is Dutch.

This is, I know,

but here this is the heart of NATO. I'm an anti-natal, for example. NATO is an

expression of American

imperialism. And I think that in order for Europe to regain sovereignty, which

is an absolute

necessity, especially with this growing wave of MAGA fascism and the

international fascist

movement taking the shape of MAGA weirdly enough. I don't know if you guys have

noticed that.

It's very strange phenomena. It's so weird. You got people wearing MAGA hats in

Europe that are

like far right nationalists. And I'm like, I don't think that's how it's

supposed to work.

No, no, it's like the paradox of it's Israel. You're like, you're like America

first.

Yeah, what do you mean you're America first? But you're like a European fascist

. How does that

work? It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, I say, you know, NATO is an

expression of American

imperialism. It's a big topic. What do we do with NATO? Yeah, like most of the

people are

pro NATO. And they don't understand the danger that's coming. I mean, it's

pretty obvious. I mean,

Trump is openly, you know, Trump is saying the quiet part out loud. And yet it

's shocking to me

that European leadership is refusing to reckon with it. They got a little taste

of it with Greenland,

right? And it was really interesting because it highlighted it's it's kind of

bright spotlight

on that hypocrisy, right? One week prior to Trump coming out and saying we're

going to invade

Greenland, we're going to annex it militarily, and maybe even Canada. What did

he do? He deposed

Maduro, right? The head of a sovereign nation, Venezuela, brutal, despotic,

sure doesn't matter.

Still, it was totally illegal, right? Yeah, it was it was irrational. It was

irresponsible. It was

violent. And yet European leadership celebrated it. One week after that, he

said, I'm in a

militarily annex Greenland. And they said, Whoa, whoa, what do you mean? You

can't treat it. We're

we're NATO country. We're we're Europe. What do you mean? We're fearful of

Russian incursion.

Sure. And now we have to and now we have to to worry about American from our,

you know,

from our Western flag, what is going on? That is the danger of Trump. That is

not just a

danger of Trump. That's the danger of American imperialism. Trump is just the

last manifestation

of it, much more honest and much more vulgar. He's open to manifest. Yeah, yeah

. Yeah. So,

so that's what my point is. And and in order to fight back against that, in

order to fight

back against Trumpism, fascism, and American imperialism, Europe has to regain

its sovereignty.

But as long as they they maintain the American security contracts that are

beneficial for

certain industries, you know, you got Germany reindustrializing and and getting

involved in

the defense sector now in a more meaningful way. And that is obviously

beneficial for,

you know, certain kinds of capitalists. Should we leave NATO and the rest of

the countries or kick

USA out? I think there needs to be a separate political cooperative agreement

that focuses on

the interests of the European continent, rather than is used as an expression

of American dominance.

Next to the wars projection capabilities. I mean, if it were up to me, I would

disband NATO in its

entirety. Yes. What NATO did in the aftermath of World War II was obviously

purge the socialist

and communist sympathies from Western Europe and that they did so successfully.

They did it in my

country, Turkey as well. And and basically reassert, you know, Western

capitalism and the

dominance of capital in these countries. What NATO is doing now is American

izing Europe,

the demand for 5% of your GDP going back to the defense sector, some of which

will be spent on

American manufacturers. Yeah, some of which will be or all of it will be spent

on American

manufacturers or some of it will be spent on domestic industry. Let me tell you

, as a warning,

as an American, it's going to come from your healthcare. It's going to come

from your public

transit. Yeah, we know. Yeah, it's happening right now. It's going to come from

your social welfare.

So that is, that is America reasserting its dominance. That is America creating

opportunities

for capital. Because in order to to create an environment where you're spending

5% of GDP on

defense, you have to do austerity. And when austerity kicks in, private

enterprise comes in and says,

Oh, we'll handle it from here. We'll take over from here. This is exactly what

happened in the

UK as well, from the Thatcherite neoliberal reforms that took place in the UK,

that that

also gave way to this new growth of a fascist movement, the discontented masses

, the angry masses,

then we're taken advantage of and reform and restore and all these other

fascist formations

came in and said, you're angry. Your trains are not running on time. You don't

have the same welfare

initiatives. You don't have the same industry here. And that's because Muslims

are coming. That's

because refugees are going into the country. It's the same here. Yeah. You know

,

you know, if you're builders and like the blonde guy, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

The Netherlands Trump.

Quite like. Yeah. Yeah. But gay, right? I think no, no, no, he's not our prime

prime

mistress. He says he's not. I don't know. I don't know anything. We don't know

either. I don't get

our anyway. Yeah. He's. He's. Yeah. He's exactly what I'm talking about. And it

's so funny because

these are the exact same problems that everyone is experiencing. Maybe they're

further along the

way in America. Maybe we're closer to a fascist mode of governance than you

guys are. But then

you see the rise of AFD, the rise of the national front in France and reform in

the UK and Gert

Wilders in the Netherlands. And these guys are they they are taking advantage

of the

understandable enmity that a lot of people feel in redirecting that anger to,

you know, vulnerable

populations redirecting that anger to to people that that have the exact same

class interest.

Yeah. Because at the end of the day, a refugee or a second generation migrant,

they want to work. They want a roof over their heads. They want job stability.

They want a

better future for their children. That's identical to the rest of the

population that's been living

in the Netherlands for numerous generations. They have the same interest brings

us back to the

start of this conversation about the laws and exactly. And yet these people who

are servants of

capital, and I guess in a closer association, servants of American Empire,

right? People that

care about the interests of capital owners that don't care about the interests

of the masses

seek to divide the masses and actively do divide the masses. And if there is no

strong resistance

against that, that tries to keep everyone together and to explain to people

like, no, no, no, you

shouldn't be fighting amongst yourselves. It's not about left versus right, it

's up versus down,

that those in positions of profound power are making you feel like your

neighbor is your enemy.

When your neighbor has the same exact interests as you, if we don't unite, and

if the liberal

politicians try to keep the established order together and are more predisposed

with fighting

their left blank, rather than the growth of fascism in their countries, fascism

is going to take over.

But your message to our countries here in the West, in the Western of Europe,

like, what would

you tell us? I think you, you got to stop eating Trump's dick. That's my

message. Yeah, like,

there are so many wonderful things in theory, that the post World War II design

was supposed to

create, you know, human rights and international order. And it created some

semblance of stability

early on. But of course, it was very quickly weaponized against America's

enemies. And still

weaponized against America's enemies to this day. And there's no accountability

for America,

my country, right? I think that that system needs to change. And we have to

abide by the first

principles that were established. That's number one. And number two, I think

European countries

need to rebuild sovereignty. Yeah. And that sovereignty is not going to come

from nationalist

parties and fascist parties and far right parties. They're lying. We saw this

with Maloney. Maloney

was very critical of America, very critical of NATO when she was running, right

? And she came

from that fascist tradition. So of course, if anyone was was even remotely

familiar with Italian

fascism, they knew that that was lie. They knew that was bullshit, right? It

was. And now she is

a loyal servant of NATO and a loyal soldier for Donald Trump. Because what no

matter what

fascist express when they're running to seize power, ultimately, they will

still abide by

America's interests. Yeah. That's precisely what NATO had done in Italy,

ironically enough.

And that is part of the reason why I never thought that Maloney was going to be

against NATO at all.

And shouldn't it be like then, or do you mean like, stop eating the United

States dick?

Yeah. Anyway, like Trump or any kind of democratic. Trump is just the reason

why I use Trump is

because he's such a repulsive figure. And there's a lot of anger towards Donald

Trump in Europe,

even by liberals, that that might love, you know, being a vassal to America

otherwise.

It's our mark of it that calls in