IC–032 | Wants to Disband NATO Because Defense Industry Makes Money
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[0:00] mental health care. That's the, I guess, the rational or the more selfish way.
[0:06] Yeah, it's more like individualism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's an
[0:10] argument to be made on,
[0:11] on both ends. Yeah, funny, to me, there's your sales pitch for the people that
[0:17] are new to socialism,
[0:18] like socialism can be sold as individualism. It is. It is. It will be a massive
[0:25] , we don't do this,
[0:26] like, no, but that's like a very misunderstood element of Marxism in particular
[0:31] . It's like,
[0:31] Marxism is, of course, individualistic. Of course, there is individual
[0:37] liberties in a
[0:39] socialist mode of governance that you normally don't have. If we were to look
[0:44] at
[0:44] socialization and like countries that are closer towards socialism versus
[0:48] further away from socialism,
[0:51] who has more free time? A person that doesn't have to worry about, you know,
[0:55] medical debt or a
[0:56] person who does. I think this is a thing where you could be more. Who has more
[0:58] freedom? Yeah,
[0:59] with you. Who has more freedom? A person who can, yeah, maybe leave their job
[1:03] and pursue a career
[1:05] ambition and maybe even become a much more productive member of society because
[1:10] their
[1:10] health care is not tied to their employment. Yeah. That is true freedom.
[1:16] Socialism is supposed to
[1:17] unlock more time for people to regain autonomy. Socialists historically have
[1:24] fought for this
[1:25] before socialist movements, trade unionist movements, anarchist movements,
[1:29] fought to establish a five day work week. People used to work seven days a week
[1:34] . They had child
[1:35] labor, right? These were real freedoms that people fought for sometimes died in
[1:40] the process of fighting
[1:41] for. And now we take it for granted. So socialism is freedom. Yeah, of course.
[1:48] What's your most radical stance? My most radical stance, which we don't know
[1:53] about.
[1:53] There's so many. Give me one. There's so many. Everything I say people treat in
[1:58] America,
[1:58] everything I say people treat as radical, but I think even here. This is Dutch.
[2:02] This is, I know,
[2:02] but here this is the heart of NATO. I'm an anti-natal, for example. NATO is an
[2:06] expression of American
[2:07] imperialism. And I think that in order for Europe to regain sovereignty, which
[2:11] is an absolute
[2:12] necessity, especially with this growing wave of MAGA fascism and the
[2:18] international fascist
[2:19] movement taking the shape of MAGA weirdly enough. I don't know if you guys have
[2:23] noticed that.
[2:23] It's very strange phenomena. It's so weird. You got people wearing MAGA hats in
[2:30] Europe that are
[2:30] like far right nationalists. And I'm like, I don't think that's how it's
[2:33] supposed to work.
[2:34] No, no, it's like the paradox of it's Israel. You're like, you're like America
[2:39] first.
[2:39] Yeah, what do you mean you're America first? But you're like a European fascist
[2:43] . How does that
[2:43] work? It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, I say, you know, NATO is an
[2:51] expression of American
[2:53] imperialism. It's a big topic. What do we do with NATO? Yeah, like most of the
[2:57] people are
[2:59] pro NATO. And they don't understand the danger that's coming. I mean, it's
[3:06] pretty obvious. I mean,
[3:07] Trump is openly, you know, Trump is saying the quiet part out loud. And yet it
[3:12] 's shocking to me
[3:13] that European leadership is refusing to reckon with it. They got a little taste
[3:20] of it with Greenland,
[3:21] right? And it was really interesting because it highlighted it's it's kind of
[3:25] bright spotlight
[3:26] on that hypocrisy, right? One week prior to Trump coming out and saying we're
[3:30] going to invade
[3:30] Greenland, we're going to annex it militarily, and maybe even Canada. What did
[3:34] he do? He deposed
[3:35] Maduro, right? The head of a sovereign nation, Venezuela, brutal, despotic,
[3:41] sure doesn't matter.
[3:42] Still, it was totally illegal, right? Yeah, it was it was irrational. It was
[3:48] irresponsible. It was
[3:50] violent. And yet European leadership celebrated it. One week after that, he
[3:55] said, I'm in a
[3:56] militarily annex Greenland. And they said, Whoa, whoa, what do you mean? You
[4:00] can't treat it. We're
[4:01] we're NATO country. We're we're Europe. What do you mean? We're fearful of
[4:05] Russian incursion.
[4:07] Sure. And now we have to and now we have to to worry about American from our,
[4:11] you know,
[4:12] from our Western flag, what is going on? That is the danger of Trump. That is
[4:17] not just a
[4:18] danger of Trump. That's the danger of American imperialism. Trump is just the
[4:22] last manifestation
[4:23] of it, much more honest and much more vulgar. He's open to manifest. Yeah, yeah
[4:27] . Yeah. So,
[4:28] so that's what my point is. And and in order to fight back against that, in
[4:34] order to fight
[4:34] back against Trumpism, fascism, and American imperialism, Europe has to regain
[4:38] its sovereignty.
[4:40] But as long as they they maintain the American security contracts that are
[4:46] beneficial for
[4:47] certain industries, you know, you got Germany reindustrializing and and getting
[4:51] involved in
[4:52] the defense sector now in a more meaningful way. And that is obviously
[4:56] beneficial for,
[4:58] you know, certain kinds of capitalists. Should we leave NATO and the rest of
[5:02] the countries or kick
[5:03] USA out? I think there needs to be a separate political cooperative agreement
[5:09] that focuses on
[5:11] the interests of the European continent, rather than is used as an expression
[5:16] of American dominance.
[5:17] Next to the wars projection capabilities. I mean, if it were up to me, I would
[5:21] disband NATO in its
[5:22] entirety. Yes. What NATO did in the aftermath of World War II was obviously
[5:27] purge the socialist
[5:30] and communist sympathies from Western Europe and that they did so successfully.
[5:34] They did it in my
[5:34] country, Turkey as well. And and basically reassert, you know, Western
[5:40] capitalism and the
[5:41] dominance of capital in these countries. What NATO is doing now is American
[5:46] izing Europe,
[5:47] the demand for 5% of your GDP going back to the defense sector, some of which
[5:53] will be spent on
[5:54] American manufacturers. Yeah, some of which will be or all of it will be spent
[5:58] on American
[5:59] manufacturers or some of it will be spent on domestic industry. Let me tell you
[6:03] , as a warning,
[6:04] as an American, it's going to come from your healthcare. It's going to come
[6:07] from your public
[6:08] transit. Yeah, we know. Yeah, it's happening right now. It's going to come from
[6:10] your social welfare.
[6:11] So that is, that is America reasserting its dominance. That is America creating
[6:17] opportunities
[6:17] for capital. Because in order to to create an environment where you're spending
[6:24] 5% of GDP on
[6:25] defense, you have to do austerity. And when austerity kicks in, private
[6:30] enterprise comes in and says,
[6:31] Oh, we'll handle it from here. We'll take over from here. This is exactly what
[6:36] happened in the
[6:36] UK as well, from the Thatcherite neoliberal reforms that took place in the UK,
[6:42] that that
[6:43] also gave way to this new growth of a fascist movement, the discontented masses
[6:49] , the angry masses,
[6:50] then we're taken advantage of and reform and restore and all these other
[6:59] fascist formations
[7:00] came in and said, you're angry. Your trains are not running on time. You don't
[7:04] have the same welfare
[7:05] initiatives. You don't have the same industry here. And that's because Muslims
[7:09] are coming. That's
[7:09] because refugees are going into the country. It's the same here. Yeah. You know
[7:13] ,
[7:13] you know, if you're builders and like the blonde guy, of course. Yeah. Yeah.
[7:18] The Netherlands Trump.
[7:19] Quite like. Yeah. Yeah. But gay, right? I think no, no, no, he's not our prime
[7:25] prime
[7:26] mistress. He says he's not. I don't know. I don't know anything. We don't know
[7:32] either. I don't get
[7:33] our anyway. Yeah. He's. He's. Yeah. He's exactly what I'm talking about. And it
[7:37] 's so funny because
[7:38] these are the exact same problems that everyone is experiencing. Maybe they're
[7:44] further along the
[7:45] way in America. Maybe we're closer to a fascist mode of governance than you
[7:52] guys are. But then
[7:53] you see the rise of AFD, the rise of the national front in France and reform in
[7:59] the UK and Gert
[8:01] Wilders in the Netherlands. And these guys are they they are taking advantage
[8:08] of the
[8:09] understandable enmity that a lot of people feel in redirecting that anger to,
[8:15] you know, vulnerable
[8:16] populations redirecting that anger to to people that that have the exact same
[8:22] class interest.
[8:23] Yeah. Because at the end of the day, a refugee or a second generation migrant,
[8:29] they want to work. They want a roof over their heads. They want job stability.
[8:33] They want a
[8:33] better future for their children. That's identical to the rest of the
[8:38] population that's been living
[8:39] in the Netherlands for numerous generations. They have the same interest brings
[8:43] us back to the
[8:43] start of this conversation about the laws and exactly. And yet these people who
[8:50] are servants of
[8:51] capital, and I guess in a closer association, servants of American Empire,
[8:57] right? People that
[8:59] care about the interests of capital owners that don't care about the interests
[9:05] of the masses
[9:06] seek to divide the masses and actively do divide the masses. And if there is no
[9:11] strong resistance
[9:12] against that, that tries to keep everyone together and to explain to people
[9:17] like, no, no, no, you
[9:19] shouldn't be fighting amongst yourselves. It's not about left versus right, it
[9:23] 's up versus down,
[9:24] that those in positions of profound power are making you feel like your
[9:30] neighbor is your enemy.
[9:31] When your neighbor has the same exact interests as you, if we don't unite, and
[9:37] if the liberal
[9:37] politicians try to keep the established order together and are more predisposed
[9:46] with fighting
[9:46] their left blank, rather than the growth of fascism in their countries, fascism
[9:51] is going to take over.
[9:52] But your message to our countries here in the West, in the Western of Europe,
[9:58] like, what would
[9:59] you tell us? I think you, you got to stop eating Trump's dick. That's my
[10:04] message. Yeah, like,
[10:06] there are so many wonderful things in theory, that the post World War II design
[10:15] was supposed to
[10:16] create, you know, human rights and international order. And it created some
[10:20] semblance of stability
[10:22] early on. But of course, it was very quickly weaponized against America's
[10:27] enemies. And still
[10:29] weaponized against America's enemies to this day. And there's no accountability
[10:34] for America,
[10:35] my country, right? I think that that system needs to change. And we have to
[10:40] abide by the first
[10:42] principles that were established. That's number one. And number two, I think
[10:46] European countries
[10:48] need to rebuild sovereignty. Yeah. And that sovereignty is not going to come
[10:52] from nationalist
[10:53] parties and fascist parties and far right parties. They're lying. We saw this
[10:58] with Maloney. Maloney
[11:00] was very critical of America, very critical of NATO when she was running, right
[11:05] ? And she came
[11:05] from that fascist tradition. So of course, if anyone was was even remotely
[11:10] familiar with Italian
[11:12] fascism, they knew that that was lie. They knew that was bullshit, right? It
[11:17] was. And now she is
[11:19] a loyal servant of NATO and a loyal soldier for Donald Trump. Because what no
[11:25] matter what
[11:26] fascist express when they're running to seize power, ultimately, they will
[11:31] still abide by
[11:32] America's interests. Yeah. That's precisely what NATO had done in Italy,
[11:36] ironically enough.
[11:38] And that is part of the reason why I never thought that Maloney was going to be
[11:42] against NATO at all.
[11:44] And shouldn't it be like then, or do you mean like, stop eating the United
[11:50] States dick?
[11:51] Yeah. Anyway, like Trump or any kind of democratic. Trump is just the reason
[11:57] why I use Trump is
[11:57] because he's such a repulsive figure. And there's a lot of anger towards Donald
[12:01] Trump in Europe,
[12:02] even by liberals, that that might love, you know, being a vassal to America
[12:09] otherwise.
[12:10] It's our mark of it that calls in