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mental health care. That's the, I guess, the rational or the more selfish way.

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Yeah, it's more like individualism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's an

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argument to be made on,

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on both ends. Yeah, funny, to me, there's your sales pitch for the people that

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are new to socialism,

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like socialism can be sold as individualism. It is. It is. It will be a massive

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, we don't do this,

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like, no, but that's like a very misunderstood element of Marxism in particular

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. It's like,

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Marxism is, of course, individualistic. Of course, there is individual

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liberties in a

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socialist mode of governance that you normally don't have. If we were to look

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at

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socialization and like countries that are closer towards socialism versus

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further away from socialism,

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who has more free time? A person that doesn't have to worry about, you know,

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medical debt or a

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person who does. I think this is a thing where you could be more. Who has more

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freedom? Yeah,

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with you. Who has more freedom? A person who can, yeah, maybe leave their job

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and pursue a career

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ambition and maybe even become a much more productive member of society because

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their

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health care is not tied to their employment. Yeah. That is true freedom.

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Socialism is supposed to

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unlock more time for people to regain autonomy. Socialists historically have

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fought for this

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before socialist movements, trade unionist movements, anarchist movements,

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fought to establish a five day work week. People used to work seven days a week

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. They had child

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labor, right? These were real freedoms that people fought for sometimes died in

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the process of fighting

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for. And now we take it for granted. So socialism is freedom. Yeah, of course.

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What's your most radical stance? My most radical stance, which we don't know

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about.

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There's so many. Give me one. There's so many. Everything I say people treat in

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America,

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everything I say people treat as radical, but I think even here. This is Dutch.

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This is, I know,

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but here this is the heart of NATO. I'm an anti-natal, for example. NATO is an

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expression of American

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imperialism. And I think that in order for Europe to regain sovereignty, which

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is an absolute

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necessity, especially with this growing wave of MAGA fascism and the

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international fascist

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movement taking the shape of MAGA weirdly enough. I don't know if you guys have

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noticed that.

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It's very strange phenomena. It's so weird. You got people wearing MAGA hats in

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Europe that are

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like far right nationalists. And I'm like, I don't think that's how it's

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supposed to work.

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No, no, it's like the paradox of it's Israel. You're like, you're like America

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first.

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Yeah, what do you mean you're America first? But you're like a European fascist

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. How does that

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work? It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, I say, you know, NATO is an

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expression of American

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imperialism. It's a big topic. What do we do with NATO? Yeah, like most of the

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people are

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pro NATO. And they don't understand the danger that's coming. I mean, it's

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pretty obvious. I mean,

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Trump is openly, you know, Trump is saying the quiet part out loud. And yet it

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's shocking to me

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that European leadership is refusing to reckon with it. They got a little taste

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of it with Greenland,

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right? And it was really interesting because it highlighted it's it's kind of

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bright spotlight

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on that hypocrisy, right? One week prior to Trump coming out and saying we're

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going to invade

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Greenland, we're going to annex it militarily, and maybe even Canada. What did

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he do? He deposed

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Maduro, right? The head of a sovereign nation, Venezuela, brutal, despotic,

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sure doesn't matter.

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Still, it was totally illegal, right? Yeah, it was it was irrational. It was

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irresponsible. It was

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violent. And yet European leadership celebrated it. One week after that, he

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said, I'm in a

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militarily annex Greenland. And they said, Whoa, whoa, what do you mean? You

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can't treat it. We're

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we're NATO country. We're we're Europe. What do you mean? We're fearful of

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Russian incursion.

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Sure. And now we have to and now we have to to worry about American from our,

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you know,

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from our Western flag, what is going on? That is the danger of Trump. That is

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not just a

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danger of Trump. That's the danger of American imperialism. Trump is just the

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last manifestation

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of it, much more honest and much more vulgar. He's open to manifest. Yeah, yeah

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so that's what my point is. And and in order to fight back against that, in

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order to fight

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back against Trumpism, fascism, and American imperialism, Europe has to regain

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its sovereignty.

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But as long as they they maintain the American security contracts that are

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beneficial for

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certain industries, you know, you got Germany reindustrializing and and getting

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involved in

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the defense sector now in a more meaningful way. And that is obviously

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beneficial for,

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you know, certain kinds of capitalists. Should we leave NATO and the rest of

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the countries or kick

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USA out? I think there needs to be a separate political cooperative agreement

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that focuses on

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the interests of the European continent, rather than is used as an expression

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of American dominance.

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Next to the wars projection capabilities. I mean, if it were up to me, I would

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disband NATO in its

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entirety. Yes. What NATO did in the aftermath of World War II was obviously

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purge the socialist

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and communist sympathies from Western Europe and that they did so successfully.

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country, Turkey as well. And and basically reassert, you know, Western

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capitalism and the

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dominance of capital in these countries. What NATO is doing now is American

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the demand for 5% of your GDP going back to the defense sector, some of which

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will be spent on

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American manufacturers. Yeah, some of which will be or all of it will be spent

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on American

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manufacturers or some of it will be spent on domestic industry. Let me tell you

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, as a warning,

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as an American, it's going to come from your healthcare. It's going to come

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from your public

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transit. Yeah, we know. Yeah, it's happening right now. It's going to come from

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your social welfare.

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So that is, that is America reasserting its dominance. That is America creating

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opportunities

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for capital. Because in order to to create an environment where you're spending

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5% of GDP on

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defense, you have to do austerity. And when austerity kicks in, private

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enterprise comes in and says,

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Oh, we'll handle it from here. We'll take over from here. This is exactly what

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happened in the

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UK as well, from the Thatcherite neoliberal reforms that took place in the UK,

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that that

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also gave way to this new growth of a fascist movement, the discontented masses

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, the angry masses,

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then we're taken advantage of and reform and restore and all these other

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fascist formations

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came in and said, you're angry. Your trains are not running on time. You don't

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have the same welfare

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initiatives. You don't have the same industry here. And that's because Muslims

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are coming. That's

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because refugees are going into the country. It's the same here. Yeah. You know

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you know, if you're builders and like the blonde guy, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

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The Netherlands Trump.

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Quite like. Yeah. Yeah. But gay, right? I think no, no, no, he's not our prime

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prime

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mistress. He says he's not. I don't know. I don't know anything. We don't know

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either. I don't get

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our anyway. Yeah. He's. He's. Yeah. He's exactly what I'm talking about. And it

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's so funny because

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these are the exact same problems that everyone is experiencing. Maybe they're

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further along the

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way in America. Maybe we're closer to a fascist mode of governance than you

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guys are. But then

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you see the rise of AFD, the rise of the national front in France and reform in

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the UK and Gert

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Wilders in the Netherlands. And these guys are they they are taking advantage

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of the

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understandable enmity that a lot of people feel in redirecting that anger to,

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you know, vulnerable

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populations redirecting that anger to to people that that have the exact same

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class interest.

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Yeah. Because at the end of the day, a refugee or a second generation migrant,

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they want to work. They want a roof over their heads. They want job stability.

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better future for their children. That's identical to the rest of the

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population that's been living

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in the Netherlands for numerous generations. They have the same interest brings

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us back to the

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start of this conversation about the laws and exactly. And yet these people who

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are servants of

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capital, and I guess in a closer association, servants of American Empire,

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right? People that

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care about the interests of capital owners that don't care about the interests

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of the masses

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seek to divide the masses and actively do divide the masses. And if there is no

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strong resistance

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against that, that tries to keep everyone together and to explain to people

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like, no, no, no, you

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shouldn't be fighting amongst yourselves. It's not about left versus right, it

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's up versus down,

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that those in positions of profound power are making you feel like your

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neighbor is your enemy.

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When your neighbor has the same exact interests as you, if we don't unite, and

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if the liberal

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politicians try to keep the established order together and are more predisposed

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with fighting

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their left blank, rather than the growth of fascism in their countries, fascism

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is going to take over.

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But your message to our countries here in the West, in the Western of Europe,

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like, what would

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you tell us? I think you, you got to stop eating Trump's dick. That's my

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message. Yeah, like,

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there are so many wonderful things in theory, that the post World War II design

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was supposed to

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create, you know, human rights and international order. And it created some

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semblance of stability

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early on. But of course, it was very quickly weaponized against America's

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enemies. And still

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weaponized against America's enemies to this day. And there's no accountability

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for America,

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my country, right? I think that that system needs to change. And we have to

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abide by the first

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principles that were established. That's number one. And number two, I think

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European countries

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need to rebuild sovereignty. Yeah. And that sovereignty is not going to come

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from nationalist

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parties and fascist parties and far right parties. They're lying. We saw this

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with Maloney. Maloney

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was very critical of America, very critical of NATO when she was running, right

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from that fascist tradition. So of course, if anyone was was even remotely

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familiar with Italian

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fascism, they knew that that was lie. They knew that was bullshit, right? It

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was. And now she is

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a loyal servant of NATO and a loyal soldier for Donald Trump. Because what no

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matter what

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fascist express when they're running to seize power, ultimately, they will

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still abide by

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America's interests. Yeah. That's precisely what NATO had done in Italy,

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ironically enough.

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And that is part of the reason why I never thought that Maloney was going to be

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against NATO at all.

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And shouldn't it be like then, or do you mean like, stop eating the United

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States dick?

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Yeah. Anyway, like Trump or any kind of democratic. Trump is just the reason

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why I use Trump is

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because he's such a repulsive figure. And there's a lot of anger towards Donald

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Trump in Europe,

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even by liberals, that that might love, you know, being a vassal to America

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otherwise.

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It's our mark of it that calls in