IC–055 | American Jews Will Face Blowback if They Don't Distance from Israel
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[0:00] He presents it in the same way as Nick Fuentes does. They both believe Jews operate in a monolithic
[0:07] manner and that they have a singular investment in the continuation of the state of Israel.
[0:15] Of course, Jake Tapper also, simultaneous, who we say that's very anti-Semitic when Nick Fuentes
[0:20] says it, but he says it himself. I don't agree with that. No one is irredeemable.
[0:30] Everyone can change their attitudes on issues. And if Jews were a monolithic force, if this
[0:36] organized jewelry was a real force to be reckoned with, then there wouldn't be so much investment
[0:44] in Zionist indoctrination for Western Jews. There just wouldn't be this much money being spent to
[0:55] ensure that every young American Jew that goes to Jewish camp or goes to Jewish school
[1:02] was getting unlimited amounts of Zionist propaganda, Zionist indoctrination.
[1:08] And yes, this doesn't mean that there aren't otherwise liberal American Jews that lean into
[1:18] illiberal ethno-nationalism, crude, tribalistic ethno-nationalism when it comes to Israel. Of course,
[1:25] there are. Aren't you simultaneously doing the Mershheimer and Chomsky argument at the same time?
[1:33] Yes, I have always been a centrist when it comes to this issue because one, in my belief,
[1:39] doesn't exist without the other. Israel doesn't get to create this lobby. Israel doesn't
[1:50] get to create these Zionist institutions on U.S. soil without fair restrictions if Israel doesn't
[1:59] play the role of a reliable ally during the Cold War against the rise of pan-Arabic nationalism.
[2:09] If Israel doesn't play the role of an American satellite for American imperialism and this resource
[2:16] rich region, Israel doesn't get to have this sophisticated propaganda apparatus working on U.S.
[2:24] soil as aggressively as it has for the past 80 years. It's that simple.
[2:36] In terms of and would never use the phrase Jewish lobby, there is no such thing as a Jewish lobby.
[2:42] There is an Israel lobby. That's the problem. Which has evangelical Christians in it.
[2:46] It has evangelical Christians and it has. Military industrial complex. It has all kinds,
[2:50] it has hundreds of organizations or parts of it. Many of them. The fear that I always have,
[2:56] the fear that I always have is this. It's far easier to teach Americans tribalism.
[3:06] It's far easier to get Americans on board on opposition to Israel through an anti-Semitic
[3:13] framework than it is to teach them about anti-imperialism, anti-fascism to have a morally consistent
[3:22] anti-genocide position. That's the problem. And if you don't actually develop this framework,
[3:30] then you're not going to, you are never going to be able to fully comprehend why what America's
[3:41] doing is is also wrong. That's the problem. America's the entire world, dude. No, for sure.
[3:55] For sure. What is this joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France, Italy,
[4:01] Netherlands, Norway, and Canada? The Israeli government's decision to push construction tenders,
[4:04] the tenders for the E1 settlement project is unacceptable. Here we go. Oh man, you got grave concerns
[4:11] about the settlement project once again. Yes. Yes. Brother Islam has been around for 1400. What is
[4:24] this? They have been warring with the West for literally over a millennia. Terrorism is loaded
[4:28] in false term. The literally spreading of Islam look toilet paper. I'm a Muslim, by the way.
[4:33] Propaganda, literally opposite Jewish historians believe Islam is a reason Judaism survived today.
[4:38] I'm so confused as to what argument you're trying to make.
[4:50] As an anti-Zionist Jewish person whose temple is reform and deeply Zionist, it's difficult to even
[4:54] approach trying to change their minds. No, I understand that. I understand that. My, I mean, look,
[5:01] to the anti-Zionist Jews in my community, you have a very tough job ahead of you. Well, you have to go
[5:08] back to your communities and try to get your elderly relatives to understand that this connection
[5:18] between Israel and Zionism that is expressed over and over again through a lot of these Jewish
[5:24] institutions, okay, is teaching people the idea that Jews are monolithic and this is a dangerous,
[5:31] it is a very, because look, it's a very dangerous mode of propaganda. And you want to know why?
[5:39] Because people don't fuck with Israel any longer. And if Jews in America keep putting
[5:48] this, this idea out there that they are singularly invested in Israel, eventually someone's
[5:54] going to come around and take action, not against the state of Israel mind you, but against American Jews.
[6:00] Okay, we're teaching people the wrong lesson. At the end of the day, American Jews do not prioritize
[6:11] Israel, but they do prioritize anti-Semitism. And that's precisely the reason why a lot of this
[6:18] propaganda that is facing the American Jewish side from a lot of these Jewish outlets, right?
[6:25] We'll tie the two all the time. And we hear that from outlets like ZBS as well, right?
[6:32] When the host asked Angie Nixon, like, oh, well, don't you think we shouldn't stop giving
[6:38] weapons to Israel at a time when anti-Semitism is exploding? Where's the connective tissue between
[6:45] these two events? American Jews do care about anti-Semitism. It's understandable to care about anti-Semitism.
[6:54] They don't care about Israel. So how do you tie the two? You say, well, Israel is the only thing standing
[7:00] in the way of the next Holocaust happening. That's how you do it. That's how you do it.
[7:16] So every single time you have prominent Zionist Jews come out and be like, no, this is anti-Semitic,
[7:28] to oppose Israel is anti-Semitic. You're teaching people that you're teaching people the trope of dual
[7:34] loyalty. That's where you're teaching people. After you teach them that, you can't turn around and say,
[7:42] oh, well, this is dual loyalty. This is anti-Semitic because at a certain point, people are not going
[7:47] to give a shit. And we're already past that point. It's that simple. I read this not as an actual
[7:55] retreat from anti-Semitism charges, but enhanced preparation for pressing on Islamophobia, given the
[8:00] plausible rise of voting public's less beholden to the power of every arant anti-Semitism charge
[8:06] shipping away at the offices of anti-Semitism's ours. That's precisely what's going on. Yes,
[8:10] they're not going to give up on claiming that people are anti-Semitic, of course. They're going to
[8:14] keep doing that because there's a lot of institutional value. There's a lot of institutions that will still
[8:23] take action once the anti-Semitism allegation is brought up. But what they're doing is the Israeli foreign
[8:35] ministry has recognized at this point that there is no way to defend Israel. So they'll take the
[8:44] second best thing, which is to foment Islamophobia, who's fighting against the hordes of Muslims, the
[8:49] dangerous Muslims that are destroying the Western world. The Jewish state is, of course, this is a
[8:55] battle between the Western forces and the scary Eastern hordes of Muslims who are barbaric. That's
[9:03] the way they present it as. In Israel, you might not like them, but at least they're a bulwark against
[9:11] the scary hordes of Islam. And they'll take that. That's the next best thing for Israel at least.
[9:18] Knowing full well that they can press that Islamophobia button over and over again.
[9:25] Not realizing that those who oppose Islam in the West, those who consider Islam to be a dangerous
[9:35] toxic force, a dangerous toxic force that's destroying Western civilization also find
[9:45] Jews to be a dangerous toxic force as well.
[9:55] Anyway. Yeah, Jeremy Moss, the Democratic nominee for U.S. House Michigan 11 says this
[10:08] is the person who took who won Haley Stevens's seat, by the way, says, Abdul is going to have to
[10:15] demonstrate some serious outreach to Oakland's Jewish community. I wonder what he asked to do.
[10:26] To gain the support of Oakland County's Jewish community.
[10:31] Yeah, he has to drop his critiques of Israel. That's what it is.
[10:37] Now, is Oakland County's Jewish community in unison making this demand of Abdullah Said? No,
[10:48] of course not, but if there isn't opposition from Jewish figures in this community that are
[10:57] loud about the, the, the.