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in Gaza has been diap. In contrast, this has been welcomed by the Palestinian

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Authority

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It's so psychotic, but also in a way, kind of comical, that like every single

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time the

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rest of the world, like Western leaders are like, "Hey man, you should probably

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not kill so many

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Palestinians, like what are we doing here?" Israel will be like, "I'll show you

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, I'll show you."

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Like, the world will be like, "Hey, you're really restricting a lot of aid from

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going into

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Palestinians, houses, like going into Gaza, like it's really fucked up."

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Because we'll be like, "I'll show you, I'll fucking restrict even more aid. Ha

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ha! Fuck you!"

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And it's like ridiculous. They don't understand. They don't understand that

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this is only further

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negatively polarizing the rest of the world against them. They don't understand

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it.

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[silence]

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I get that we want to be careful, given Israel's spreading mis-info and its use

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of anything they push

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inside, but it's sad to see first people just dismiss any non-first-hand

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account out of hand.

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First-hand accounts are always going to be rare for extreme sexual violence and

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extreme

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incident like this. It takes so much braver to come out. There's other credible

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second-hand

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circumcision evidence. We should maybe handle with more care and empathy. I

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understand the

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question, but still, yeah, I'm- there is- there is- there needs to be more

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evidence conducted

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in order to- in order to make a proper assertion of what happened, especially

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as it pertains

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to- especially as it pertains to sexual violence.

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I would like for us to be at a place where saying maybe there were some sexual

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violence

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doesn't make you as honest. I mean, I say that, and I don't think it makes me a

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Zionist.

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I say that as well.

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But if the- but if the conclusive evidence is coming from Zakah or the Israeli

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government

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or the Israeli police force claiming that they have a mountain of evidence-

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because

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remember, the Israeli police force said they had a mountain of evidence.

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And then when questioned on it further said no ev- they had no evidence

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whatsoever.

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Like if all we can rely on is the word of the IDF, that's ridiculous.

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There is, however, evidence. There is, however, real evidence as far as like

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first-hand accounts

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and testimony, even second-hand accounts and testimony from- from hostages.

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So that part is real that- that- that did happen.

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Which is very important, and that was a part of the UN investigation that was

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conducted.

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I've never discounted that, just like I've never discounted the likelihood that

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sexual violence

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did occur on October 7th and after.

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How do you dismiss accounts of kerosene and burning, but not dismiss sexual

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violence?

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What do you mean?

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I don't- I- because one- there is no evidence whatsoever for one.

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It is completely and utterly made up.

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But there is a likelihood for the other and also evidence as far as first-hand

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testimony

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from a hostage.

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The fuck?

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That's the difference.

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*sigh*

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Anyway, the problem, however, is that given the intensity and proclivity for

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the Israeli state

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to lie about things like this, and also other, like, non-professional forensic

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accounting

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being conducted on October 7th, this is muddied the waters so much that

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understandably,

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many people are like, "What the fuck? Why am I- how am I going to believe this?

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How am I supposed to believe anything that Israel says?"

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There's a perfectly valid fucking criticism to have against the state that has

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lied every

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single step of the fucking way.

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Many hostages have records of saying two different things.

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Also, how are you sure Israel didn't force them to lie?

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That's ridiculous.

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By the way, none of which justifies Israel's actions, so it doesn't even matter

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None of this justifies that Palestinians have a right to dignity, a right to

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emancipation,

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a right to live fucking free lives, free from this occupation.

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It doesn't matter.

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It doesn't matter if fucking rapes happen on October 7th.

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Like, that doesn't change the dynamic for me even this much.

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So, that's the other part of this problem that many people can't contend with.

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Like, the Palestinian resistance is not perfect.

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They're not, like, so good.

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They have magical bullets, and there's no criminal elements that could have

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themselves very differently.

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Like, that doesn't change the dynamic for me at all.

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It's so fucking stupid to act like, "No, they're perfect.

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They were perfect on October 7th."

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And they were conducted themselves perfectly.

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But these kinds of stories delegitimize Palestinian resistance?

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No, it does not.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

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No, you think it delegitimize Palestinian resistance, okay?

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You think so.

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I don't.

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The fuck?

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You're correct.

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And watch "Defreaks with Clippy Out of Context" and I'll call you pro rape.

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Yeah, dude.

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Sure.

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It is ridiculous.

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I've never -- I've never been a -- I've never had the mindset that, like,

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victims of a

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genocidal apartheid regime have to be perfect.

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Although they have conducted themselves in perfectly peaceful ways, and we all

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know what

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happened in the Great March of Return.

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So the idea that, like, Palestinians haven't tried that is also silly.

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Okay.

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Let's finish this off.

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Let's finish this off.

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In the Palestinian leadership, the Palestinian Authority said they welcome the

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decision taken

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today by Spain, Norway, and Ireland.

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And they've explained that with this important step, these countries have

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demonstrated their

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firm commitment to the two-state solution and achieving long-awaited justice

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for the

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Palestinian people.

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They think this moves, the Palestinians closer to full recognition, full state

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hood accepted

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by all the countries of the world.

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But the response from Israel is that this damages Israel's security, undermines

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Israel's

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right to self-defense, and does not help the peace process in the long term.

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And Dan, all of this comes as we're hearing that the United Nations has halted

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food distribution

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in Rafa due to shortages and hostilities.

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Yeah, there's been a real difficulty getting aid into Gaza, whether that's over

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the land crossings

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or via the new maritime route that was opened up last week, when the U.S.

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military put in

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place this floating platform.

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We know some aid shipments have been able to get in via the sea route and via

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the land borders,

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but then there's a problem of distributing it.

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There's been a security issue.

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Some aid shipments have been ransacked by desperate Palestinians trying to get

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of food supplies and medical treatment, and that's prompted the U.N.

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to actually cease distribution.

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We know that very little aid's been coming in through that floating platform,

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despite the

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huge amounts of money and the effort that was put into, put in that in place.

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They've got to resolve the security situation, make sure they can fairly

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distribute aid,

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make sure that it gets to the people who really need it, that it isn't

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intercepted and stolen.

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So there is a real issue here.

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The Israelis are being called on to ensure more humanitarian corridor safe

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routes so that

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aid workers can get around in Gaza safely, can do their work, can distribute

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that aid,

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and get it to the people who need it.

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Okay, Dan Johnson, thank you very much for the moment, and of course you've got

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plenty

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more on that story.

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On the BBC News website where we continue to run a live page with Russia.

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We have a major development this morning related to the war in Gaza.

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The three European governments, all U.S. allies say that they will recognize

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the

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Palestinian state next Tuesday.

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Now, as you know, Palestinians have one of this for decades.

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MTS Tyab is following this in East Jerusalem and has the latest on it.

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MTS, this is a very big deal.

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Can you help us understand the significance of this?

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Yeah.

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If having rapists in the neighborhood is enough to justify carpet bombing,

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Israel's going to

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rethink that non-extradition policy they have, Israel is also relatively

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densely populated

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with, you know, that sort of thing.

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I don't know, I wouldn't be talking about this like...

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Yeah, it's an enormous deal for these three European countries to do so.

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And as you can imagine, Israel has reacted pretty furiously to the move by

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these

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countries and their decision to formally recognize a Palestinian state.

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So angry that it's ordered back its ambassadors to Norway and Ireland and has

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called the

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plan, and I'm quoting here a distorted step as the fighting in Gaza rages on.

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A warning now to our viewers, some of the images in this report are quite dist

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ressing.

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Today, Ireland, Norway and Spain are announcing that we recognize the state of

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Palestine.

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Ireland's T-shirt, Simon Harris, may be announcing alongside the Spanish and

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Norwegian prime

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ministers.

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The move is both rare and significant.

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Wait, is this not good in terms of a one-state solution?

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Dude, recognizing Palestinian statehood is not a bad thing.

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Okay?

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It doesn't mean that the conversation stops there.

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It just means that there is another vector of pressure.

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That's all this is.

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Okay?

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If it wasn't significant, America wouldn't be trying to desperately veto it at

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the U.S.

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Security Council and then voting against it when the U.S.

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and the U.N. General Assembly votes for Palestinian statehood.

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That's it.