IC–039 | Hamas isn't Perfect - Rapes On 10/7 Change Nothing
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[0:00] in Gaza has been diap. In contrast, this has been welcomed by the Palestinian
[0:07] Authority
[0:07] It's so psychotic, but also in a way, kind of comical, that like every single
[0:15] time the
[0:15] rest of the world, like Western leaders are like, "Hey man, you should probably
[0:18] not kill so many
[0:20] Palestinians, like what are we doing here?" Israel will be like, "I'll show you
[0:23] , I'll show you."
[0:25] Like, the world will be like, "Hey, you're really restricting a lot of aid from
[0:29] going into
[0:30] Palestinians, houses, like going into Gaza, like it's really fucked up."
[0:36] Because we'll be like, "I'll show you, I'll fucking restrict even more aid. Ha
[0:39] ha! Fuck you!"
[0:41] And it's like ridiculous. They don't understand. They don't understand that
[0:45] this is only further
[0:46] negatively polarizing the rest of the world against them. They don't understand
[0:50] it.
[0:55] [silence]
[1:04] I get that we want to be careful, given Israel's spreading mis-info and its use
[1:07] of anything they push
[1:08] inside, but it's sad to see first people just dismiss any non-first-hand
[1:11] account out of hand.
[1:12] First-hand accounts are always going to be rare for extreme sexual violence and
[1:15] extreme
[1:15] incident like this. It takes so much braver to come out. There's other credible
[1:17] second-hand
[1:18] circumcision evidence. We should maybe handle with more care and empathy. I
[1:21] understand the
[1:22] question, but still, yeah, I'm- there is- there is- there needs to be more
[1:31] evidence conducted
[1:35] in order to- in order to make a proper assertion of what happened, especially
[1:42] as it pertains
[1:44] to- especially as it pertains to sexual violence.
[1:50] I would like for us to be at a place where saying maybe there were some sexual
[1:52] violence
[1:53] doesn't make you as honest. I mean, I say that, and I don't think it makes me a
[1:57] Zionist.
[1:58] I say that as well.
[2:02] But if the- but if the conclusive evidence is coming from Zakah or the Israeli
[2:09] government
[2:09] or the Israeli police force claiming that they have a mountain of evidence-
[2:16] because
[2:16] remember, the Israeli police force said they had a mountain of evidence.
[2:22] And then when questioned on it further said no ev- they had no evidence
[2:28] whatsoever.
[2:30] Like if all we can rely on is the word of the IDF, that's ridiculous.
[2:36] There is, however, evidence. There is, however, real evidence as far as like
[2:40] first-hand accounts
[2:41] and testimony, even second-hand accounts and testimony from- from hostages.
[2:47] So that part is real that- that- that did happen.
[2:51] Which is very important, and that was a part of the UN investigation that was
[2:55] conducted.
[2:57] I've never discounted that, just like I've never discounted the likelihood that
[3:05] sexual violence
[3:06] did occur on October 7th and after.
[3:10] How do you dismiss accounts of kerosene and burning, but not dismiss sexual
[3:21] violence?
[3:23] What do you mean?
[3:25] I don't- I- because one- there is no evidence whatsoever for one.
[3:30] It is completely and utterly made up.
[3:32] But there is a likelihood for the other and also evidence as far as first-hand
[3:36] testimony
[3:37] from a hostage.
[3:39] The fuck?
[3:40] That's the difference.
[3:46] *sigh*
[4:02] Anyway, the problem, however, is that given the intensity and proclivity for
[4:11] the Israeli state
[4:12] to lie about things like this, and also other, like, non-professional forensic
[4:19] accounting
[4:20] being conducted on October 7th, this is muddied the waters so much that
[4:27] understandably,
[4:28] many people are like, "What the fuck? Why am I- how am I going to believe this?
[4:31] How am I supposed to believe anything that Israel says?"
[4:33] There's a perfectly valid fucking criticism to have against the state that has
[4:37] lied every
[4:38] single step of the fucking way.
[4:40] Many hostages have records of saying two different things.
[4:53] Also, how are you sure Israel didn't force them to lie?
[4:56] That's ridiculous.
[5:00] By the way, none of which justifies Israel's actions, so it doesn't even matter
[5:06] .
[5:07] None of this justifies that Palestinians have a right to dignity, a right to
[5:13] emancipation,
[5:14] a right to live fucking free lives, free from this occupation.
[5:18] It doesn't matter.
[5:19] It doesn't matter if fucking rapes happen on October 7th.
[5:22] Like, that doesn't change the dynamic for me even this much.
[5:26] So, that's the other part of this problem that many people can't contend with.
[5:31] Like, the Palestinian resistance is not perfect.
[5:35] They're not, like, so good.
[5:37] They have magical bullets, and there's no criminal elements that could have
[5:42] conducted
[5:43] themselves very differently.
[5:45] Like, that doesn't change the dynamic for me at all.
[5:49] It's so fucking stupid to act like, "No, they're perfect.
[5:53] They were perfect on October 7th."
[5:55] And they were conducted themselves perfectly.
[5:58] But these kinds of stories delegitimize Palestinian resistance?
[6:02] No, it does not.
[6:03] What the fuck are you talking about?
[6:04] No, you think it delegitimize Palestinian resistance, okay?
[6:09] You think so.
[6:10] I don't.
[6:11] The fuck?
[6:25] You're correct.
[6:34] And watch "Defreaks with Clippy Out of Context" and I'll call you pro rape.
[6:37] Yeah, dude.
[6:38] Sure.
[6:39] It is ridiculous.
[6:55] I've never -- I've never been a -- I've never had the mindset that, like,
[7:14] victims of a
[7:15] genocidal apartheid regime have to be perfect.
[7:19] Although they have conducted themselves in perfectly peaceful ways, and we all
[7:23] know what
[7:23] happened in the Great March of Return.
[7:25] So the idea that, like, Palestinians haven't tried that is also silly.
[7:29] Okay.
[7:33] Let's finish this off.
[7:38] Let's finish this off.
[7:39] In the Palestinian leadership, the Palestinian Authority said they welcome the
[7:43] decision taken
[7:44] today by Spain, Norway, and Ireland.
[7:46] And they've explained that with this important step, these countries have
[7:49] demonstrated their
[7:50] firm commitment to the two-state solution and achieving long-awaited justice
[7:55] for the
[7:55] Palestinian people.
[7:56] They think this moves, the Palestinians closer to full recognition, full state
[8:00] hood accepted
[8:02] by all the countries of the world.
[8:04] But the response from Israel is that this damages Israel's security, undermines
[8:08] Israel's
[8:09] right to self-defense, and does not help the peace process in the long term.
[8:13] And Dan, all of this comes as we're hearing that the United Nations has halted
[8:18] food distribution
[8:19] in Rafa due to shortages and hostilities.
[8:23] Yeah, there's been a real difficulty getting aid into Gaza, whether that's over
[8:28] the land crossings
[8:29] or via the new maritime route that was opened up last week, when the U.S.
[8:33] military put in
[8:33] place this floating platform.
[8:35] We know some aid shipments have been able to get in via the sea route and via
[8:39] the land borders,
[8:40] but then there's a problem of distributing it.
[8:42] There's been a security issue.
[8:44] Some aid shipments have been ransacked by desperate Palestinians trying to get
[8:48] hold
[8:48] of food supplies and medical treatment, and that's prompted the U.N.
[8:52] to actually cease distribution.
[8:54] We know that very little aid's been coming in through that floating platform,
[8:58] despite the
[8:58] huge amounts of money and the effort that was put into, put in that in place.
[9:02] They've got to resolve the security situation, make sure they can fairly
[9:06] distribute aid,
[9:07] make sure that it gets to the people who really need it, that it isn't
[9:11] intercepted and stolen.
[9:13] So there is a real issue here.
[9:15] The Israelis are being called on to ensure more humanitarian corridor safe
[9:18] routes so that
[9:20] aid workers can get around in Gaza safely, can do their work, can distribute
[9:24] that aid,
[9:25] and get it to the people who need it.
[9:27] Okay, Dan Johnson, thank you very much for the moment, and of course you've got
[9:31] plenty
[9:31] more on that story.
[9:32] On the BBC News website where we continue to run a live page with Russia.
[9:37] We have a major development this morning related to the war in Gaza.
[9:41] The three European governments, all U.S. allies say that they will recognize
[9:45] the
[9:46] Palestinian state next Tuesday.
[9:48] Now, as you know, Palestinians have one of this for decades.
[9:51] MTS Tyab is following this in East Jerusalem and has the latest on it.
[9:55] MTS, this is a very big deal.
[9:57] Can you help us understand the significance of this?
[10:03] Yeah.
[10:04] If having rapists in the neighborhood is enough to justify carpet bombing,
[10:06] Israel's going to
[10:07] rethink that non-extradition policy they have, Israel is also relatively
[10:12] densely populated
[10:13] with, you know, that sort of thing.
[10:17] I don't know, I wouldn't be talking about this like...
[10:23] Yeah, it's an enormous deal for these three European countries to do so.
[10:26] And as you can imagine, Israel has reacted pretty furiously to the move by
[10:30] these
[10:31] countries and their decision to formally recognize a Palestinian state.
[10:35] So angry that it's ordered back its ambassadors to Norway and Ireland and has
[10:39] called the
[10:40] plan, and I'm quoting here a distorted step as the fighting in Gaza rages on.
[10:45] A warning now to our viewers, some of the images in this report are quite dist
[10:49] ressing.
[10:50] Today, Ireland, Norway and Spain are announcing that we recognize the state of
[10:58] Palestine.
[10:59] Ireland's T-shirt, Simon Harris, may be announcing alongside the Spanish and
[11:03] Norwegian prime
[11:04] ministers.
[11:05] The move is both rare and significant.
[11:07] Wait, is this not good in terms of a one-state solution?
[11:10] Dude, recognizing Palestinian statehood is not a bad thing.
[11:15] Okay?
[11:16] It doesn't mean that the conversation stops there.
[11:18] It just means that there is another vector of pressure.
[11:21] That's all this is.
[11:23] Okay?
[11:24] If it wasn't significant, America wouldn't be trying to desperately veto it at
[11:28] the U.S.
[11:29] Security Council and then voting against it when the U.S.
[11:32] and the U.N. General Assembly votes for Palestinian statehood.
[11:35] That's it.