IC–013 | He Wouldn't Vote for Newsome Over Vance
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[0:00] actually warning against that. How is that difficult to fucking comprehend? My
[0:02] argument
[0:03] is why the fuck are you letting your institutions in the United States of
[0:08] America ride unlimited
[0:10] ride and and and offer unlimited support for the nation state of Israel, but it
[0:13] 's doing
[0:14] heinous Nazi shit. You are teaching everybody that you only care about that.
[0:19] Even if you
[0:19] personally don't, you have to, you have to make a separation, right? You have
[0:24] to make
[0:24] that separation personally and you have to be let it be known because if you
[0:28] don't make
[0:29] that separation personally, if you can't rid yourself of whatever your own
[0:34] personal feelings
[0:35] are towards the nation state of Israel, you are allowing these Jewish
[0:38] institutions that
[0:39] masquerades Jewish institutions, but simply our institutions of Israel that
[0:44] that are singularly
[0:46] focused on defending the nation state of Israel. Oftentimes teaching people
[0:50] that any critic
[0:50] of the nation state of Israel is actually an anti semi teaching people the
[0:54] wrong lesson
[0:54] teaching them that there is dual loyalty here when that's not the fucking case.
[0:59] I talked
[1:00] about this extensively with John Favreau and that in that long conversation
[1:04] that we had
[1:05] that just got released yesterday as well, right?
[1:09] Meanwhile, here is RNC research also freaking the fuck out. So awesome. Anytime
[1:27] I say some
[1:28] shit, any time I say some shit, these guys lose their minds over it. It's great
[1:32] . Potsay
[1:33] bros are fucking morons. This guy says Julius Hernandez, policy nerd campaign
[1:37] operative
[1:37] former director of advocacy, pragmatic and progressive, right? He's very mad at
[1:42] the pod
[1:43] johns highlighting what I have to say and actually offering me a platform to,
[1:48] to, you
[1:48] know, correct the record or to educate people on like what I truly believe,
[1:52] especially at
[1:53] a time when especially at a time when there is a lot of nonsense out there in
[2:01] the ether,
[2:03] right? And it's so funny that they just like these guys will never fucking give
[2:07] up. They
[2:08] keep saying, they keep saying, all right, enough talking about Hassan, but they
[2:12] never
[2:12] actually stop. Trae Easton, the Democratic party. So right when the list chain,
[2:15] he didn't
[2:16] need to ask Kamala to change her positions in order to endorse her or something
[2:18] you say
[2:19] after smoking crack, right? Like I thought that they were done, but it turns
[2:26] out they're
[2:26] not done. It turns out they got more smoke. Here's Jeremiah Johnson, one of my
[2:30] number one
[2:30] ops saying Hassan is pro authoritarianism. He's illiberal. He hates democracy,
[2:36] blah, blah,
[2:37] blah. He doesn't want to like kill every Chinese person. So clearly, you know,
[2:43] he means, he
[2:45] doesn't want to nuclear first strike the three gorgeous dam. We have to fucking
[2:49] cancel this
[2:49] person. That's pretty much what Jeremiah Johnson's attitude is here. Okay. It's
[2:57] so fucking stupid.
[2:59] They're leaning into preexisting, oftentimes reactionary attitudes that
[3:03] Americans harbor
[3:04] in their hearts about foreign adversaries. And my argument always is there's a
[3:09] lot we
[3:09] can learn from other countries. Every country has a lesson we can learn from
[3:12] both good and
[3:13] bad. And China certainly has been able to develop so profoundly over the course
[3:17] of the
[3:18] last couple of decades that there is a lot to learn there as far as good
[3:21] governance goes,
[3:23] right? This doesn't mean that I am in support of everything that the Chinese
[3:27] state does or
[3:28] think that it would be good here. I'm very clear on that, but it doesn't even
[3:32] fucking matter.
[3:33] These guys are such annoying China hawks at a time when the rest of the planet
[3:38] 's attitude
[3:39] on China is changing dramatically.
[3:50] Julius Hernandez reposted this. I don't care. Boomer on Facebook. Learn of your
[4:07] existence.
[4:10] A month ago, I knew nothing about Pike. Now in Democrat circles, it's Pike 24
[4:16] seven.
[4:16] I think it's good to have a Pike challenging the party. The boomer cracks are
[4:21] turning into
[4:22] Bernie Kratz, ladies and gentlemen, you are too anti China. I am not. I think I
[4:27] 'm sufficiently,
[4:28] I'm sufficiently promotional of good things that China does. And also
[4:32] sufficiently critical
[4:33] of things that China does that I think are not replicable here. You understand?
[4:45] Hassan Pike, baby. Do we have a blast off meme or not a blast off meme? Sorry.
[4:54] I blasted
[4:55] off already. Do we have? What am I talking about? Do we have the, the Macy's
[5:00] playlist?
[5:00] This guy looked at this two minute clip and lost his damn mind. Let's take a
[5:05] look at what
[5:05] the clip featured.
[5:06] You said you wouldn't vote for Gavin Newsom against JD vans in 2028. Yeah, yeah
[5:10] , yeah.
[5:10] Third party. I mean, I don't even think that's going to be a problem. Well,
[5:14] like a lot of
[5:15] people, including people who share a lot of your critiques of Democratic party
[5:19] hear that
[5:19] and think like this is the problem, you know, when the stakes are concrete,
[5:23] like a Vance
[5:24] presidency and other four years of what we're living through, you know, the
[5:27] people who say
[5:28] they're building a movement would, you know, like rather preserve their own
[5:31] power than,
[5:31] you know, do what winning requires and, you know, hold your nose and vote for
[5:35] what you
[5:35] believe would be the lesser of two evils. Like, how do you respond to that? I
[5:39] want the Democratic
[5:39] party to treat me like a Never Trumper. I want the Democratic party to treat me
[5:43] like
[5:43] a triple Trump voter. Okay, because it turns out that's all they're tuned into.
[5:48] So if that,
[5:49] if what it takes for the Democrats to turn around and be like, wait a minute,
[5:52] we're losing
[5:52] this guy, we have to win him over again or whatever, instead of just like
[5:56] taking my vote
[5:56] for granted, as they've done so over and over again for the left flank. And
[6:01] then, you know,
[6:02] I'm going to say things that may or may not end up being true, but it doesn't
[6:05] matter.
[6:06] We're so far out from the election. Anyway, that it's like, I'm just saying,
[6:10] look, now
[6:10] is your opportunity to find a good candidate instead. But you see, but you see
[6:14] as we head
[6:15] into these that like after what we've lived through these last years, the
[6:19] stakes and the
[6:19] stark difference between even a Democrat who you and I might find not up to par
[6:27] to say
[6:28] at least versus Vance or whoever the fuck they put up. Of course. I mean, I
[6:32] hate Republicans.
[6:33] I oppose them. I say that all the time. I think that the Republicans are far
[6:39] more damaging.
[6:40] The biggest terrorists, the biggest domestic terrorists in this country, the
[6:43] biggest terrorists
[6:43] internationally is the Republican Party. And not only that, but it's just like
[6:48] they, like
[6:49] I want to fight against the growing fascist movement in this country. My
[6:54] frustration with
[6:55] the Democrats is their conciliatory attitude towards that and their lack of
[7:00] investment
[7:01] in this struggle, this idea that on the one hand, you say, Donald Trump's a
[7:05] dangerous
[7:06] force. I see that. I recognize that. But then you turn around and you take on
[7:11] his anti-immigrant
[7:12] narratives and anti-immigrant messaging from the 2020 election that you won and
[7:17] decide
[7:17] you're going to be the sincere candidate that ends up dealing with the growth
[7:22] of migration
[7:23] in this country. It's a failure. If you were serious about being an anti-
[7:27] fascist, if you
[7:27] were serious about combating these forces, you would take it more seriously.
[7:34] Yeah. He got so mad. Like imagine being a democratic operative, hearing this
[7:47] statement
[7:48] and then being upset about it, being offended by it. So much so that you
[7:52] actually attack
[7:52] the guys who are simply having this conversation, the pod johns, right? I got
[7:57] the playlist. Thank
[7:58] you to Macy's. Pod say bros are fucking more. I was writing off Obama's name
[8:00] for years and
[8:01] now bring in anti-Semitic dirtbags like platinum. This loser has never done a
[8:04] damn thing or
[8:05] even worked an election to try and tell our party what it should do. Spare me
[8:08] and shut
[8:08] the fuck up. Mike from his faces, you lost Lemme Faele. Owned meta analysis of
[8:17] Ezra
[8:17] Klein, John Fabs is on the hunt. Klein and Favreau have corporate megaphones
[8:20] built for
[8:21] them by money. Piker built his own megaphone. The corporate megaphones realize
[8:24] they must
[8:25] acknowledge independent megaphone as they relevant. That's a big power shift. I
[8:28] mean,
[8:28] I, I don't have as, as critical of an approach here, as, as David Saroda. But
[8:35] the reality
[8:36] of the matter is there are at least some forces in the party who sincerely want
[8:40] to win and
[8:41] they understand that they have to, they have to change certain strategies,
[8:46] right? They
[8:47] have to change certain strategies. And part of that, part of that is to, to
[8:51] lean into
[8:52] their base. Part of that is to be unafraid. Okay. They have to do that. Like
[8:59] Republicans
[9:00] are so, they're, they're, they're so gross. Right. Republicans are so gross and
[9:08] so unapologetic
[9:09] about their repulsive ideologies. Why can't we be unapologetic about our good
[9:13] ideologies,
[9:14] our good worldview? It blows my fucking mind. It doesn't make any sense. But of
[9:22] course,
[9:22] what are the new liberals doing? This dumb nonsense. Okay. These guys are the,
[9:27] the number
[9:28] one left ashers, your vice chair called on Trump to murder her political
[9:32] opponents less
[9:32] than a month ago and you still haven't done anything about it, says Carl Byer.
[9:37] It's, it's
[9:38] just so insincere. And these guys are so motionless. It's kind of funny that
[9:43] they still do this.
[9:45] Like they're trying to eat off of this, right? They're trying to eat off of the
[9:48] , the, the
[9:51] centrist rage, right? The centrist rage that exists that's bubbling up in the
[9:55] consulting
[9:56] class that's bubbling up in the center, right, republic, center, right,
[10:00] democratic party.
[10:02] There's something missing from the Hassan Parker discourse. Sans fans and
[10:04] critics often
[10:04] overlook the most troubling fact about him. The core problem with the songpiker
[10:07] is that
[10:07] on a fundamental level, he doesn't believe in liberal democracy. I don't
[10:11] believe in liberalism.
[10:12] Yes. I'm a socialist. Like I don't. Liberalism is objectively failing. Can we
[10:16] have a sincere
[10:17] conversation about that without you just being like, without you coming across
[10:20] like fucking
[10:21] Steven Crowder and being like, you hate America and you love China. You love
[10:25] Russia. You're
[10:25] a fucking idiot. It's, it's unbelievable. These people literally would rather
[10:31] allow the
[10:31] country to fall apart, allow the Western world to just perish or seed all
[10:37] political ground
[10:38] to the growth of illiberal fascism instead of having a sincere conversation
[10:43] about how
[10:44] to successfully oppose fascism. Liberalism has lost the Trump twice. It's so
[10:53] fucking
[10:53] stupid that these guys will literally be like, I don't care. At the end of the
[10:57] day, I don't
[10:57] think they care. I don't think they care if Trump wins.
[11:03] I saw a third way ad about you online. They're actually spending money shit
[11:05] talking to you.
[11:06] Yeah. Please don't read the whole thread. He winds and winds about your stuff.
[11:10] You've
[11:10] debunked a million times. I know it's all like, Hassan Parker says he won't
[11:15] criticize
[11:15] Mao Zedong, regardless of his excesses, right? Like I've, I've been, I think it
[11:21] 's so, it's
[11:22] so insane to be like, the songpiker says we have to learn from China. There are
[11:27] many
[11:27] lessons that we can take from Chinese governance. Wow. How unbelievable that I
[11:31] 've said that.
[11:34] All of this relies on the receptive, uh, all of this relies on a receptive
[11:39] audience that
[11:40] also has the same fucking hang ups and, and non-chaired ability that Jeremiah
[11:46] Johnson has.
[11:47] And let's be real reactionary xenophobia against established foreign adversary
[11:53] countries, create
[11:55] an environment where a lot of people have that lack of charitable and they will
[12:00] lean into
[12:01] it. They'll go, I don't want to hear what the fuck he asked to say about these
[12:04] foreign
[12:04] countries, a perspective that I've never, a perspective that I've never
[12:09] actually encountered,
[12:10] a perspective that I've never thought about, right? Um, but instead I'm
[12:15] immediately going
[12:16] to go, Oh dude, you said, you said there's something, there's some things that
[12:21] we can
[12:21] learn from Chinese governance that must mean you hate the United States of
[12:25] America, you
[12:25] want America to perish and, and, uh, you want, uh, China to win. It's like,
[12:31] well, kind of feels
[12:32] like nowadays, I don't need to do anything. It seems like Donald Trump wants
[12:35] China to win
[12:36] a lot more than fucking what you think I, uh, want